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		<title>By: PINGBACK</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>PINGBACK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PINGBACK from &lt;a href=&quot;http://manualtesting.com/blog/?p=28&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://manualtesting.com/blog/?p=28&lt;/a&gt;

...It seems our recent white paper about the CIO research has really sparked a debate.

Chris Spagnuolo, a very well regarded blogger, wrote a piece about it on his site and more than 40 people have commented and debated on the topic. There were some really interesting points raised - one of which being that the reason there is CIO apathy towards quality is because many are working to short-term goals...</description>
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<p>&#8230;It seems our recent white paper about the CIO research has really sparked a debate.</p>
<p>Chris Spagnuolo, a very well regarded blogger, wrote a piece about it on his site and more than 40 people have commented and debated on the topic. There were some really interesting points raised &#8211; one of which being that the reason there is CIO apathy towards quality is because many are working to short-term goals&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PINGBACK</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>PINGBACK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PINGBACK http://www.aphids.com/agiletesting/2008/11/survey_says_40_of_cios_are_clu.html

...A new survey of CIOs found that &quot;40% of CIO’s reported a general indifference towards the quality of the software they produce.&quot; Also see the blog post about the survey with some good comments. Interesting. Not surprising, but interesting...</description>
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<p>&#8230;A new survey of CIOs found that &#8220;40% of CIO’s reported a general indifference towards the quality of the software they produce.&#8221; Also see the blog post about the survey with some good comments. Interesting. Not surprising, but interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Sandford</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sandford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Define the importance of quality in comparison to other factors - functionlity, development schedule, etc. Perhaps they can only give 40% as a view because their other priorities are significantly greater?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define the importance of quality in comparison to other factors &#8211; functionlity, development schedule, etc. Perhaps they can only give 40% as a view because their other priorities are significantly greater?</p>
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		<title>By: Oana Juncu</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Oana Juncu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the technical debt of low quality is a delayed effect bomb. Some intelligent VPs (CIO or others) had the intelligence to do the right analysis of desastrous business impact of systems crash invest in quality and ...do Agile.
Unfortunately, this type of analysis is done after the disaster has happend, not before; quality is not enough considered in the risk management area.

best,
oana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the technical debt of low quality is a delayed effect bomb. Some intelligent VPs (CIO or others) had the intelligence to do the right analysis of desastrous business impact of systems crash invest in quality and &#8230;do Agile.<br />
Unfortunately, this type of analysis is done after the disaster has happend, not before; quality is not enough considered in the risk management area.</p>
<p>best,<br />
oana</p>
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		<title>By: Joy'll Cambridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy'll Cambridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find generally that this is not true with younger or newer CIO&#039;s. I think the ones that are a bit more seasoned are not necessarily out of touch, just not as sensitive to the issues that poor quality software can create for the business. In general because they are more experienced, trends, newer technologies, &amp; newer methods of doing things, they tend to be a bit slower in adoption &amp; implementation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find generally that this is not true with younger or newer CIO&#8217;s. I think the ones that are a bit more seasoned are not necessarily out of touch, just not as sensitive to the issues that poor quality software can create for the business. In general because they are more experienced, trends, newer technologies, &amp; newer methods of doing things, they tend to be a bit slower in adoption &amp; implementation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Maguire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hear hear Duncan - every place I have worked that is not specifically a software shop (and some that are) have suffered from this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hear hear Duncan &#8211; every place I have worked that is not specifically a software shop (and some that are) have suffered from this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am continually amazed how business will prod and poke into software development processes and question the role of testing whilst viewing it as a cost rather than an investment.

Do people question airline pilots performing pre-flight checks? No.

By all means let people question our processes, but can IT really be called a profession if it does not have and can not justify good practice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am continually amazed how business will prod and poke into software development processes and question the role of testing whilst viewing it as a cost rather than an investment.</p>
<p>Do people question airline pilots performing pre-flight checks? No.</p>
<p>By all means let people question our processes, but can IT really be called a profession if it does not have and can not justify good practice?</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Maguire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience this is the case - that is until poor quality bites them on the ass. One of my previous employers saw SQA as (in lean terms) non value added, i.e. waste, which should be trimmed and eliminated wherever possible. It was always a fight to hire QA staff and then he would only OK entry level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience this is the case &#8211; that is until poor quality bites them on the ass. One of my previous employers saw SQA as (in lean terms) non value added, i.e. waste, which should be trimmed and eliminated wherever possible. It was always a fight to hire QA staff and then he would only OK entry level.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelina Mulji</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelina Mulji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, I am seeing more and more CIO&#039;s appreciate the value of good QA. However they are also convinced that QA professionals should not be costing as much as other IT professionals and that QA is the tail end activity.

I think as a QA professional the best we can do is to educate Senior Management and build a business case in the language of ROI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, I am seeing more and more CIO&#8217;s appreciate the value of good QA. However they are also convinced that QA professionals should not be costing as much as other IT professionals and that QA is the tail end activity.</p>
<p>I think as a QA professional the best we can do is to educate Senior Management and build a business case in the language of ROI.</p>
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		<title>By: Frits Bos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frits Bos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to see these results, because how the CIO is evaluated will be a reflection on the overall culture within the organization. That said, the focus in most companies is to deliver results to move forward. I have seen first-hand the effects of a focus on doing everything &quot;perfect&quot; with the result that IT failed to deliver strategic functionality in time for the company to gain a competitive advantage that would have justified the development. It is a fine line to walk, since reality dictates that quick-and-dirty implementations often cannot be followed-up with a robust second release, and the CIO will also be responsible for not allowing the IT operations to turn into a complete mess. With those kinds of pressures to consider I too would not rate quality at the top of the list although I am personally in favor of ensuring the quality of results. I don&#039;t think it is the extra cost of quality as much as the extra time it takes to get the job done &quot;perfectly&quot; each time, and I think it has very little to do with testing (what is implemented has to work even if the backend is held together with skunk works). Ramkumar has a point about vendor responsibility, but even that is a bit self-serving (with due respect) because no vendor wants a client to point the finger at their failures. Also, vendors will go along with shortcuts if there is a clear audit trail that the client demanded that: business is business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to see these results, because how the CIO is evaluated will be a reflection on the overall culture within the organization. That said, the focus in most companies is to deliver results to move forward. I have seen first-hand the effects of a focus on doing everything &#8220;perfect&#8221; with the result that IT failed to deliver strategic functionality in time for the company to gain a competitive advantage that would have justified the development. It is a fine line to walk, since reality dictates that quick-and-dirty implementations often cannot be followed-up with a robust second release, and the CIO will also be responsible for not allowing the IT operations to turn into a complete mess. With those kinds of pressures to consider I too would not rate quality at the top of the list although I am personally in favor of ensuring the quality of results. I don&#8217;t think it is the extra cost of quality as much as the extra time it takes to get the job done &#8220;perfectly&#8221; each time, and I think it has very little to do with testing (what is implemented has to work even if the backend is held together with skunk works). Ramkumar has a point about vendor responsibility, but even that is a bit self-serving (with due respect) because no vendor wants a client to point the finger at their failures. Also, vendors will go along with shortcuts if there is a clear audit trail that the client demanded that: business is business.</p>
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		<title>By: John Boal</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Boal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, top leadership is interested only in the &quot;appearance&quot; of quality, or the reputation of quality. That is something they can sell. Unfortunately some leadership is cashing in on the history of quality and not ensuring it will remain. It takes time to tarnish a reputation and they know this and sort of borrow against that time by focusing resources on feature delivery. This ends up usually delivering shoddy features that mostly work, and then saddling the development and test organizations with technical debt and a backlog of bugs. Meanwhile top management can continue to sell product based on past reputation. It&#039;s usually not a sustainable way to operate for more than a short-term gain. Top brass figure that the problems will get worked out eventually and a bruise or two on the reputation isn&#039;t going to sink the ship. However, when security bugs and other issues like this come up, sometimes it is more than a bruise, and that can be a real torpedo to reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, top leadership is interested only in the &#8220;appearance&#8221; of quality, or the reputation of quality. That is something they can sell. Unfortunately some leadership is cashing in on the history of quality and not ensuring it will remain. It takes time to tarnish a reputation and they know this and sort of borrow against that time by focusing resources on feature delivery. This ends up usually delivering shoddy features that mostly work, and then saddling the development and test organizations with technical debt and a backlog of bugs. Meanwhile top management can continue to sell product based on past reputation. It&#8217;s usually not a sustainable way to operate for more than a short-term gain. Top brass figure that the problems will get worked out eventually and a bruise or two on the reputation isn&#8217;t going to sink the ship. However, when security bugs and other issues like this come up, sometimes it is more than a bruise, and that can be a real torpedo to reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Waterhouse</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Waterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question you raise, &quot;Are CIO&#039;s indifferent toward software quality?&quot; is easily answered: … “it depends”

The basic vectors that fuels tolerance of less than high quality solutions is acceptance of risk vs overall IT costs. Risk acceptance is driven by overall company strategy, the CEO and board of directors. The CIO is charged with managing the IT infrastructure and deploying software and hardware solutions commensurate with the overall risk strategy of the company itself.

While certain areas may demand high quality solutions (HR, Government mandated compliance, Finance etc). Under favourable circumstances, the CIO may choose areas where lower quality solutions could be acceptable if there are elements of competitive advantage that accompany lower quality software tolerance. Early technology adoption for example may provide a clear business advantage for the company as a whole so long as the executives are willing to tolerate possible lower quality solutions. The potential business value may be high and the risks may well prove acceptable. This will require a high degree of communication and trust between the CIO, CEO and executive board.

One major concern for the CIO is that they and their IT organization will need to ensure that the executives are fully aware of all the risks and potential downside impact before embarking on a lower quality solution in the interest of improving time to market or dramatically lowering costs.

It would thus behoove the CIO to ensure that there is some published record of this agreement before embarking on such a venture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question you raise, &#8220;Are CIO&#8217;s indifferent toward software quality?&#8221; is easily answered: … “it depends”</p>
<p>The basic vectors that fuels tolerance of less than high quality solutions is acceptance of risk vs overall IT costs. Risk acceptance is driven by overall company strategy, the CEO and board of directors. The CIO is charged with managing the IT infrastructure and deploying software and hardware solutions commensurate with the overall risk strategy of the company itself.</p>
<p>While certain areas may demand high quality solutions (HR, Government mandated compliance, Finance etc). Under favourable circumstances, the CIO may choose areas where lower quality solutions could be acceptable if there are elements of competitive advantage that accompany lower quality software tolerance. Early technology adoption for example may provide a clear business advantage for the company as a whole so long as the executives are willing to tolerate possible lower quality solutions. The potential business value may be high and the risks may well prove acceptable. This will require a high degree of communication and trust between the CIO, CEO and executive board.</p>
<p>One major concern for the CIO is that they and their IT organization will need to ensure that the executives are fully aware of all the risks and potential downside impact before embarking on a lower quality solution in the interest of improving time to market or dramatically lowering costs.</p>
<p>It would thus behoove the CIO to ensure that there is some published record of this agreement before embarking on such a venture.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, judging from the wide range of answers, looks like this simple survey touched a raw nerve!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, judging from the wide range of answers, looks like this simple survey touched a raw nerve!!!</p>
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		<title>By: James Peckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Peckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well duh, CIO&#039;s only care about beans. They&#039;re big bean counters, so they only care about really big beans. Just like product managers (usually).

Fact is, &quot;Quality&quot; can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people... does it fill the business need? does it make us money? quality by itself has no meaning to it.

Once you start putting $$$$ to quality, they will care, but it has to be some really BIG beans!

Try talking about the maintence cost of software with a CIO, then you&#039;ll get their ears perked up because that&#039;s something you can wrap your arms around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well duh, CIO&#8217;s only care about beans. They&#8217;re big bean counters, so they only care about really big beans. Just like product managers (usually).</p>
<p>Fact is, &#8220;Quality&#8221; can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people&#8230; does it fill the business need? does it make us money? quality by itself has no meaning to it.</p>
<p>Once you start putting $$$$ to quality, they will care, but it has to be some really BIG beans!</p>
<p>Try talking about the maintence cost of software with a CIO, then you&#8217;ll get their ears perked up because that&#8217;s something you can wrap your arms around.</p>
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		<title>By: aalmeida71</title>
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		<dc:creator>aalmeida71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience the folks from the corner office care very much about software quality and understand very well the consequences of dropping the ball on Software Quality, and it is also my experience that to put money in it does not bring results as far as Final Product Quality. In my experience the solutions to achieve quality results come from the dedicated efforts of everyone involved in the process of delivering the product. It is not visible to expect good results if the &quot;QA Department&quot; is the sole responsible for the Final Product Quality. http://www.artdigitalonline.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience the folks from the corner office care very much about software quality and understand very well the consequences of dropping the ball on Software Quality, and it is also my experience that to put money in it does not bring results as far as Final Product Quality. In my experience the solutions to achieve quality results come from the dedicated efforts of everyone involved in the process of delivering the product. It is not visible to expect good results if the &#8220;QA Department&#8221; is the sole responsible for the Final Product Quality. <a href="http://www.artdigitalonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.artdigitalonline.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Nimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Nimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a perfect world, all CIOs would list quality as being a priority, but unfortunately business users don&#039;t demand &quot;good, quality software&quot;. They want it to work and they want it now. This leads to increasing demands to cut corners and get things done, rather than get things done right. I can&#039;t remember a project where someone hasn&#039;t said &quot;we can go back and fix that later&quot; - as if that ever happens.

It&#039;s also about costs. Take two developers: The first has 10 years of experience, a varied and extensive background, and is a solid architect. The second has 2 years of experience and thinks scrum is a rugby term. Which one do you think will produce high quality code? Which one costs more? Could they both get the job done?

To build quality software, you need quality developers. Not all CIOs have a &quot;quality&quot; budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a perfect world, all CIOs would list quality as being a priority, but unfortunately business users don&#8217;t demand &#8220;good, quality software&#8221;. They want it to work and they want it now. This leads to increasing demands to cut corners and get things done, rather than get things done right. I can&#8217;t remember a project where someone hasn&#8217;t said &#8220;we can go back and fix that later&#8221; &#8211; as if that ever happens.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also about costs. Take two developers: The first has 10 years of experience, a varied and extensive background, and is a solid architect. The second has 2 years of experience and thinks scrum is a rugby term. Which one do you think will produce high quality code? Which one costs more? Could they both get the job done?</p>
<p>To build quality software, you need quality developers. Not all CIOs have a &#8220;quality&#8221; budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a truly technology literate CIO (the majority), I wouldn&#039;t call it indifference. CIOs are subject to significant pressure to deliver more technology solutions faster and cheaper. There doesn&#039;t seem to be the same amount of pressure to add &quot;better&quot; or &quot;quality&quot; into the mix here, so I think sometimes these CIOs will tend to overlook it. However, I do believe there are CIOs out there who do not have a technology background and no true feel for what all is actually necessary to deliver quality technology solutions. I would agree that these CIOs are indifferent to quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a truly technology literate CIO (the majority), I wouldn&#8217;t call it indifference. CIOs are subject to significant pressure to deliver more technology solutions faster and cheaper. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be the same amount of pressure to add &#8220;better&#8221; or &#8220;quality&#8221; into the mix here, so I think sometimes these CIOs will tend to overlook it. However, I do believe there are CIOs out there who do not have a technology background and no true feel for what all is actually necessary to deliver quality technology solutions. I would agree that these CIOs are indifferent to quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Garfield Moore</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Garfield Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps how we measure the cost of quality is often naive.

There have been numerous reports in the IT press indicating we spend 70% of our total development budget mantaining existing applications.

From what I see, increasing the quality of the software would decrease the cost of maintaining it.

Surely, that would be of interest to a CIO?

The situation would be better if our software worked effectively for all users of that software. Unfortunately, software often only meets the quality requirements of a subset of the eventual customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps how we measure the cost of quality is often naive.</p>
<p>There have been numerous reports in the IT press indicating we spend 70% of our total development budget mantaining existing applications.</p>
<p>From what I see, increasing the quality of the software would decrease the cost of maintaining it.</p>
<p>Surely, that would be of interest to a CIO?</p>
<p>The situation would be better if our software worked effectively for all users of that software. Unfortunately, software often only meets the quality requirements of a subset of the eventual customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramkumar Ramachandran</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramkumar Ramachandran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it has become whatever-it-is overnight. When Quality is seen as additional cost and not seen as an inbuilt component, CIOs attempt to remove the cost-to-create-quality and thereby make the services cheaper. This is a very funny short-sighted outlook. There are also CIOs who want to know metrics like &quot;no of lines to no of test cases&quot; ratio, Code coverage metrics etc. to ensure that a good product reaches them. The Vendor also has the responsibility of conveying the CIO that quality is inherent, when you deliver application, you deliver well architected, well designed, well developed, well reviewed, well tested application. The short term goals on cost savings by CIO would only lead long term revenue leakages due to rework, production bombings, performance issues etc. In short a Visionary CIO would never compromise on quality...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it has become whatever-it-is overnight. When Quality is seen as additional cost and not seen as an inbuilt component, CIOs attempt to remove the cost-to-create-quality and thereby make the services cheaper. This is a very funny short-sighted outlook. There are also CIOs who want to know metrics like &#8220;no of lines to no of test cases&#8221; ratio, Code coverage metrics etc. to ensure that a good product reaches them. The Vendor also has the responsibility of conveying the CIO that quality is inherent, when you deliver application, you deliver well architected, well designed, well developed, well reviewed, well tested application. The short term goals on cost savings by CIO would only lead long term revenue leakages due to rework, production bombings, performance issues etc. In short a Visionary CIO would never compromise on quality&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not about indifference, its about Return On Investment and the (legal) obligation of executives to maximize profit for the owners.

Is the product &quot;good enough&quot; to launch in terms of any potential impacts it might have to:
Product Sales / Company Reputation / SLA penalties / Market Share / Competitive Advantage / Perceived Quality / Preceived Value *relative to the competition* / Upselling of future upgrades / etc.

True, some executives simply don&#039;t understand &quot;software&quot; but even those that do are subjected to pressures that the development team (and even development management) are not subjected too.

There are VERY FEW businesses that absolutely require top quality in software (as in life-and-death): health/medical, aviation, no others come to mind. And even those or military or pharmaceutical have the concepts of acceptable errors. Simply because 100% is not only almost impossible to achieve, the cost to get there outweighs the value returned.

You can&#039;t name any software developers who ship perfect software - there is always some leeway for fixpacks, upgrades or workarounds. In Agile terms its about highest value, highest priority being delivered first.

As a developer I love to have software where I can say &quot;no bugs were ever found&quot; (not don&#039;t exist, just weren&#039;t found) but I also realize that those low probability, low value User Stories/Use Cases do exist and, time for money, aren&#039;t worth fixing.

Add to that the fact that users are (sadly) becoming more and more accepting of errors and corruption and &quot;bad stuff&quot; in software its become more and more likely that Quality Assurance will turn into Quality Acceptance.

Deciding how far to work down the Priority / Value chain in a given product and when to stop adding value and Ship is why the decision makers get the nice offices. Its not a happy thought but it is reality.

-Terry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not about indifference, its about Return On Investment and the (legal) obligation of executives to maximize profit for the owners.</p>
<p>Is the product &#8220;good enough&#8221; to launch in terms of any potential impacts it might have to:<br />
Product Sales / Company Reputation / SLA penalties / Market Share / Competitive Advantage / Perceived Quality / Preceived Value *relative to the competition* / Upselling of future upgrades / etc.</p>
<p>True, some executives simply don&#8217;t understand &#8220;software&#8221; but even those that do are subjected to pressures that the development team (and even development management) are not subjected too.</p>
<p>There are VERY FEW businesses that absolutely require top quality in software (as in life-and-death): health/medical, aviation, no others come to mind. And even those or military or pharmaceutical have the concepts of acceptable errors. Simply because 100% is not only almost impossible to achieve, the cost to get there outweighs the value returned.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t name any software developers who ship perfect software &#8211; there is always some leeway for fixpacks, upgrades or workarounds. In Agile terms its about highest value, highest priority being delivered first.</p>
<p>As a developer I love to have software where I can say &#8220;no bugs were ever found&#8221; (not don&#8217;t exist, just weren&#8217;t found) but I also realize that those low probability, low value User Stories/Use Cases do exist and, time for money, aren&#8217;t worth fixing.</p>
<p>Add to that the fact that users are (sadly) becoming more and more accepting of errors and corruption and &#8220;bad stuff&#8221; in software its become more and more likely that Quality Assurance will turn into Quality Acceptance.</p>
<p>Deciding how far to work down the Priority / Value chain in a given product and when to stop adding value and Ship is why the decision makers get the nice offices. Its not a happy thought but it is reality.</p>
<p>-Terry</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments made by Anne are absolutely right on the mark. Many CIOs are tasked to achieve: full-stop. It doesn&#039;t always matter how, and hence the short-term trends that we have seen forever (and that then morphed into offshoring for an even quicker cost cutting). It is short-sighted, and I have seen this year after year, organisation after organisation, and it is particularly prevalent in the US.

The typical scenario is that a solution only costs (eg) 10,000 to develop / implement - in this financial year - so contractors get paid for bigger/better/faster/cheaper. What most don&#039;t care to mention is that there is then another equal 10,000 or greater amount spent in the following year to correct or complete what should have been done in year one. But - hey - that doesn&#039;t matter, it&#039;s lost in the books of another financial year. We can simply bring in more consultants.

At CobbleSoft, I will absolutely go postal if we ever try to develop and deliver a half-baked consulting solution or upgrade to our service management software. Yes, I am sure we have lost work/revenue because of it, because we add perhaps one extra week to truly wrap up a project versus other folks.. Hmm .. an extra 1k this year or an extra 20k next year? Regardless, I know full well that our customers are getting a top quality product that offers functionality AND stability. That, unfortunately or fortunately, is my mindset, and the one upon which CobbleSoft is founded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments made by Anne are absolutely right on the mark. Many CIOs are tasked to achieve: full-stop. It doesn&#8217;t always matter how, and hence the short-term trends that we have seen forever (and that then morphed into offshoring for an even quicker cost cutting). It is short-sighted, and I have seen this year after year, organisation after organisation, and it is particularly prevalent in the US.</p>
<p>The typical scenario is that a solution only costs (eg) 10,000 to develop / implement &#8211; in this financial year &#8211; so contractors get paid for bigger/better/faster/cheaper. What most don&#8217;t care to mention is that there is then another equal 10,000 or greater amount spent in the following year to correct or complete what should have been done in year one. But &#8211; hey &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t matter, it&#8217;s lost in the books of another financial year. We can simply bring in more consultants.</p>
<p>At CobbleSoft, I will absolutely go postal if we ever try to develop and deliver a half-baked consulting solution or upgrade to our service management software. Yes, I am sure we have lost work/revenue because of it, because we add perhaps one extra week to truly wrap up a project versus other folks.. Hmm .. an extra 1k this year or an extra 20k next year? Regardless, I know full well that our customers are getting a top quality product that offers functionality AND stability. That, unfortunately or fortunately, is my mindset, and the one upon which CobbleSoft is founded.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Constantineau</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederick Constantineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every CIO I meet mentions software quality as one of the top 5 things they care about. This is becoming even more important as outsourced applications become older and less predictable as a result of half baked testing earlier in their existence. It was more about passing functional testing than anything else for outsourcers. Things are changing. The relationship between TCO and app quality is well known by CIOs, so much so that large investments are currently made to stage sw quality and standards gov COEs at many leading companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every CIO I meet mentions software quality as one of the top 5 things they care about. This is becoming even more important as outsourced applications become older and less predictable as a result of half baked testing earlier in their existence. It was more about passing functional testing than anything else for outsourcers. Things are changing. The relationship between TCO and app quality is well known by CIOs, so much so that large investments are currently made to stage sw quality and standards gov COEs at many leading companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hewitt</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Hewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is that they don&#039;t care, it&#039;s just that they have so many metrics to meet and report on. Let&#039;s be honest, they don&#039;t have the same bosses to answer to that we do. Support is a downstream cost. They&#039;ll worry about and account for it later. Thus, in comparison to other factors they must answer to, initial quality is probably not top on the list.

In a perfect world, we would all want to produce the highest quality product. But in the mean time, someone with a slightly less superior product beat us to market and now control 80% of it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is that they don&#8217;t care, it&#8217;s just that they have so many metrics to meet and report on. Let&#8217;s be honest, they don&#8217;t have the same bosses to answer to that we do. Support is a downstream cost. They&#8217;ll worry about and account for it later. Thus, in comparison to other factors they must answer to, initial quality is probably not top on the list.</p>
<p>In a perfect world, we would all want to produce the highest quality product. But in the mean time, someone with a slightly less superior product beat us to market and now control 80% of it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going to pull a McCain here and say I think the polls are flawed. I had the privilege to address 100 of the top CIO’s in the country at a Gartner event several years ago and these guys were very concerned about QA with software + the network . Most CIO’s of any stature understand the downstream TCO implications of lousy software and the cost implications for productivity loss and operational cost for maintenance and user support.

The 40 % that do not care - well maybe they should also spend less time answering sureveys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going to pull a McCain here and say I think the polls are flawed. I had the privilege to address 100 of the top CIO’s in the country at a Gartner event several years ago and these guys were very concerned about QA with software + the network . Most CIO’s of any stature understand the downstream TCO implications of lousy software and the cost implications for productivity loss and operational cost for maintenance and user support.</p>
<p>The 40 % that do not care &#8211; well maybe they should also spend less time answering sureveys.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Frank Harper, PMP, ITIL</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Frank Harper, PMP, ITIL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found that in the presence of cost and benefit data CIOs develop a laser like focus on the quality of the software they produce. The use of financial data provides objective metrics to evaluate risks of a certain quality level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found that in the presence of cost and benefit data CIOs develop a laser like focus on the quality of the software they produce. The use of financial data provides objective metrics to evaluate risks of a certain quality level.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca Botti</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca Botti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most CIO&#039;s, like the rest of CxOs, do not care about software quality. They care (mostly) about quick results, short term realizations and not the long term.
If a banking system is not top quality, other will come and add other features - easier than asking better functionality delaying the delivery.
It takes a lot of strength to carefully plan for delivery, quality and functionality.
If it was quality, no big three consulting would be...big three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most CIO&#8217;s, like the rest of CxOs, do not care about software quality. They care (mostly) about quick results, short term realizations and not the long term.<br />
If a banking system is not top quality, other will come and add other features &#8211; easier than asking better functionality delaying the delivery.<br />
It takes a lot of strength to carefully plan for delivery, quality and functionality.<br />
If it was quality, no big three consulting would be&#8230;big three.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Cave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Cave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at quality as a mindset and look to the execution process of delivering value, so with that perspective..... I find the statistic appalling. A CIO (or senior IT leader - VP, Director) is supposed to care about delivering value to the business. I would want this indifference to be much lower. What are our CIOs or senior leaders working on if not improving the delivery model? I saw this disregard first hand in a large IT shop where one senior leader (VP) had an &quot;it’s all about me&quot; attitude and was focused on politics instead of a sharp focus on improving the organization at large to deliver value. In this case the CIO was new so hopefully she will see through, but alas, personality and politics have amazing sway.

Quality needs to be lived throughout the execution lifecycle, basically build it into the process (here is where my passion of Lean comes out).....creating a &quot;rabid customer focus&quot;. This is what I would want a CIO to focus on....drive quality into the organization at all levels and hold the leadership accountable for executing on quality processes that deliver quality product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at quality as a mindset and look to the execution process of delivering value, so with that perspective&#8230;.. I find the statistic appalling. A CIO (or senior IT leader &#8211; VP, Director) is supposed to care about delivering value to the business. I would want this indifference to be much lower. What are our CIOs or senior leaders working on if not improving the delivery model? I saw this disregard first hand in a large IT shop where one senior leader (VP) had an &#8220;it’s all about me&#8221; attitude and was focused on politics instead of a sharp focus on improving the organization at large to deliver value. In this case the CIO was new so hopefully she will see through, but alas, personality and politics have amazing sway.</p>
<p>Quality needs to be lived throughout the execution lifecycle, basically build it into the process (here is where my passion of Lean comes out)&#8230;..creating a &#8220;rabid customer focus&#8221;. This is what I would want a CIO to focus on&#8230;.drive quality into the organization at all levels and hold the leadership accountable for executing on quality processes that deliver quality product.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive my potential ignorance here, but my experience has concluded from the companies I&#039;ve worked.....

1.  Mediocrity in IT has become acceptable and growing.
2.  People are being employed (longer?) for the shortcomings and ignorance of IT leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my potential ignorance here, but my experience has concluded from the companies I&#8217;ve worked&#8230;..</p>
<p>1.  Mediocrity in IT has become acceptable and growing.<br />
2.  People are being employed (longer?) for the shortcomings and ignorance of IT leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Marshall</title>
		<link>http://edgehopper.com/are-cios-indifferent-towards-quality-software/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I believe that senior management (CEOs of software companies, CIOs, etc) are not indifferent to software quality (nor to productivity, this being another facet of the same issue). In my experience, it&#039;s much more about these folks &quot;stifling their doubts&quot; - rather than &quot;honestly earning the right to their belief through patient investigation”. The belief in question being that their development teams and processes are as effective as possible. I have recently had an article published in the SMS monthly newsletter on just this topic (lead article: &quot;Are All Executives Unethical?&quot;). I feel that the question - and answer - resolves to one of ethics.

Read more and download the entire article via: http://measuresw.com/news/SMSNews2006/ImprovementChampionIssue10.html .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I believe that senior management (CEOs of software companies, CIOs, etc) are not indifferent to software quality (nor to productivity, this being another facet of the same issue). In my experience, it&#8217;s much more about these folks &#8220;stifling their doubts&#8221; &#8211; rather than &#8220;honestly earning the right to their belief through patient investigation”. The belief in question being that their development teams and processes are as effective as possible. I have recently had an article published in the SMS monthly newsletter on just this topic (lead article: &#8220;Are All Executives Unethical?&#8221;). I feel that the question &#8211; and answer &#8211; resolves to one of ethics.</p>
<p>Read more and download the entire article via: <a href="http://measuresw.com/news/SMSNews2006/ImprovementChampionIssue10.html" rel="nofollow">http://measuresw.com/news/SMSNews2006/ImprovementChampionIssue10.html</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Igor Iván Spiler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor Iván Spiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course they are not indifferent to software quality, by definition &quot;quality&quot; is what the customer expects from your product, if your software (or whatever product or service) produces results adequate to the expected customer group then it is enought, no need to extend budget, no need to outsource anything, it is your CIO or architect&#039;s job to make sure it meets expectations (and what the expectations should be a.k.a. requirements).

if the outcome of the development department is not what the was required then get rid of that area, move people, do not assign critical processes to that team, buy a canned solution to temporarily walk around the problem, outsource development or testing only if you have brain damage, if you are the owner&#039;s son or a saboteur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course they are not indifferent to software quality, by definition &#8220;quality&#8221; is what the customer expects from your product, if your software (or whatever product or service) produces results adequate to the expected customer group then it is enought, no need to extend budget, no need to outsource anything, it is your CIO or architect&#8217;s job to make sure it meets expectations (and what the expectations should be a.k.a. requirements).</p>
<p>if the outcome of the development department is not what the was required then get rid of that area, move people, do not assign critical processes to that team, buy a canned solution to temporarily walk around the problem, outsource development or testing only if you have brain damage, if you are the owner&#8217;s son or a saboteur.</p>
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